From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 18:57:24

*wanders down to the jail after dinner to have a look at you*

*impatiently shrugs off various sycophantic attempts to be 'helped' and finds a chair himself*

*pulls it up outside your cell and sits in it* *observes you silently like one might treat an animal in a zoo*

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 19:09:07

*sits up and folds his hands in his lap*

Is it Sunday? already?

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 19:12:58

No, why? Did they tell you Sundays come with extra Jell-O? Oh, how they tease.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 19:15:56

*conversationally* Who do I have to thank for the non-existent towel service? It's value-added.

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 19:21:46

*lightly* Why, you, of course. Didn't you see the signs posted on Twenty-fourth and All Of Doriath? Or were you simply too busy slaughtering Teleri to pick up the phrase "life sentence"?

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 19:27:41

slaughtering Teleri

:\

Strangely enough, I missed the ones that said, "being assaulted on the street by your own kin while you're minding your own business" would get you the same.

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 19:33:24

*patiently* Apparently you didn't understand the spirit of the decree. I Don't Care how long any of you spent confessing your old crimes in the Halls of Mandos.

*feigning realization* Oh, that's right. You didn't go to Mandos at all, did you? The world sort of...what was it? Ended first?

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 19:39:10

*doesn't say anything for a moment, obviously ruffled*

I had ample time for self-reflection, yes. :\

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 19:46:43

*is so very unimpressed*

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? I've come down here tonight because my son asked me, as a personal favor for a friend, to consider releasing you. *has not, as yet, been able to ascertain what Túrin's interest in the situation could possibly be* Since he was decent enough not to just come down and rip the door off himself, I thought I'd humor him.

*crosses his legs and rests his folded hands on them* So tell me, Maglor. Why should I, Elu Thingol, show pity to one of the worms who saw fit to murder my various family members not once, but on three separate occasions?

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 20:01:42

s a personal favor for a friend

*is surprised by this* Well that was kind of her. *eyes shift, processing*

*purses his lips* *counts to ten* >:| At the least, there are any number of people who've spoken to me in town who can vouch for my behaviour, at the next, there is at least one other who can vouch for my character in the years after the events you so graciously referred to, and at the most, those punishments were weighed and measured in a time long past.

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 20:12:13

*has a fairly good idea who you're talking about, as Elrond is well-known throughout Delving*

So because your foster-son—my great-great-grandson—has apparently chosen to forgive you for killing his real parents' friends and loved ones, I'm to do the same? For my brother's moron sons? My grandson and his wife, and their sons, friends, family, kingdom?

*almost shaking with anger* You could sacrifice the rest of your life to the service of your betters and I would not feel the remotest twinge of mercy toward you, or your brothers, or your father.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 20:20:28

*rises abruptly and takes two strides toward the bars*

And you could hold me here for every day of the next three Ages and it wouldn't change a thing. I've committed no crimes here. If you think it would make your City safer, then you must be more deluded than people say. *gestures emphatically as he speak, steeling his jaw* And you're here to lecture me on forgiveness?

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 20:30:54

*stands as well, drawing himself up to his full high height*

*quietly sneering* Who said the first thing about safety, you foolish child? This is a personal grudge. I'd enjoy nothing more than to see the lot of you rotting behind these bars for the rest of your days.

*paces a step or two in front of your cell* But see...here's the thing. An attempted jailbreak would mean pandemonium. I really can't have that. So before your brothers think about staging a thrilling rescue, you might inform your contacts that my marchwardens will be instructed to shoot to kill on sight?

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 20:38:00

*is rapidly finding this conversation to be even more pointless than he expected* *grows more frustrated* You know nothing about my character and the longer you cling to this vendetta the more foolish you'll prove yourself to be.

*evenly* I can assure you my family is making every effort through very open and legal channels. And they will succeed.

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 20:44:30

*laughs softly* Legal channels? Legal. Channels? I AM the law. Best of luck to them, though.

*sighs* I'm sorry, Maglor, but I'm afraid that this sort of self-righteous indignation does not appeal to my sensibilities. Not at all. I believe you are, as they say, Fucked.

*turns to leave*

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 20:53:54

*grips one of the bars in aggravation*

*futilely, apparently* This is POINTLESS and you know it! >:|

*kicks another bar as you walk away*

	From: sindacollo	Date: 08/02/2007 20:57:04

*ahhh...music to his ears*

*ears on a head full of crazy*

*(didn't you get that memo?)*

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 20:53:41

*stops in to see whether there have been any new developments in your case*

*gives the guards some nonsense about being there on the dispensation of the commander of the Doriathrim Army and is allowed into the visitors' area* *well, it's only mostly a lie*

*is more nervous about all this than she'd feel comfortable admitting*

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 21:09:29

*is muscled shown in, undeniably restless*

*for some reason is still surprised to see you*

*before he sits down* *half-heartedly* Twice in two days now? An elf's ego can only take so much.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 21:16:13

*gives you a faint smile that fades quickly, as there's no mistaking the look on your face*

Not so good, huh?

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 21:22:51

*doesn't quite manage to unknit his frown*

It seems personal grudges go much deeper than re-housed character, these days. :|

*looks at you closely* I'm told your friend spoke up for me. I'm confused flattered.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 21:27:27

*appears very definitely unsurprised* That's Thingol, I'm afraid.

*looks straight back at you in encouragement* I'll talk to Túrin again. I'm sure he'll do something if Elu won't. *that ghost of a smile appearing again* He's not very keen on injustice and he's not acquainted with any Fëanorians. And he's a Vala, for Eru's sake.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 21:36:05

*cynically* I'm surprised he doesn't have gangs roaming Beleriand to pick us off the street, if this is all he's after. :\

*thinks if First Age crimes were really all Elu was tallying up, Túrin would be worth more than his brothers combined*

*carefully* I must say I'm grateful for the support, but you'll forgive me for wondering. Why are you doing this?

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 21:44:22

*shakes her head* I think...he mostly just doesn't want you hanging around his kingdom. I can sort of understand that. Not that this is justified, just- *remembers Nargothrond and your brothers and poor Finrod* *softly* I can understand.

*don't mention that to her, whatever you do*

*blinks* Because you're family? I don't have a lot of family here. *amending* And because you were decent to me and...I guess that surprised me.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 21:57:37

*calms himself a little* I'm not saying we're a blameless family, I'd never say that. Not owning up to it would be even worse. But it's history. It's not going to change. He could kill us all five times over, it wouldn't make a difference. Not that I'm a fan of that idea or anything.

(*all the more reason he's confused to have his help*)

*frowns again* There it is again, you see. Curufin is family to you? But you think so low of him. And rightly so.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 22:05:39

*not ungently* You're preaching to the choir, Maglor. *figures you're mostly just talking through nerves* I've lived here awhile now. I know how infuriating he is about some things. Most things, maybe. *isn't crazy about that notion herself*

*shrugs* I married him, didn't I? I have a son by him, don't I? And okay, what's done is done. "It's history," right? Well, you're still my father's cousin and I rather... *grumbling a little* ...well, if you have some problem with my motives, I wish you'd come out and say it.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 22:16:47

if you have some problem with my motives, I wish you'd come out and say it

*is suitably assuaded* No. Fair enough. *sits back* Until now we'd barely spoken, in either lifetime. *was certainly filled in on the details though* You can expect I'd wonder? I suppose I don't have much taste for speaking vaguely, these days.

*pauses to let that sit* I'm concerned about your son.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/02/2007 22:23:49

*nods slightly* Yes, I can see why you might wonder. *wry smile* And if you don't have a taste for pretty speeches or outright lies then I must say, as a former lady of Nargothrond, I'll find that a very refreshing change of pace.

I'm concerned about your son.

Aren't we all. *thinks about how that sounds and laughs humorlessly* Both. Aren't we both.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/02/2007 22:31:47

And if you don't have a taste for pretty speeches or outright lies

*sideways glance* Not all F&eum;anorians are created equal. Telp--- Celebrimbor (*corrects himself*) doesn't seem to want to see that. Or ELWË for that matter.

*doesn't miss your correction there* Have you spoken to him at all?

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 07:44:29

Not all Fëanorians are created equal.

If I didn't believe that could be true, I certainly wouldn't be here right now.

Have you spoken to him at all?

Not since a few days ago. He caught me coming off my shift at the Garden Path. You can't imagine what my dad would have to say about me working there. 'Brimbor didn't want to discuss any of it. *presses her lips together tightly* I don't know why I bothered. We might as well let him be.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 08:22:56

If I didn't believe that could be true, I certainly wouldn't be here right now.

*has been complimented* *gets a curiously pleased expression on his face* Fair enough.

The Garden Path, its a new hotel, yes? They don't have you scrubbing floors, do they? ;)

I don't know why I bothered. We might as well let him be.

*thinks he was pretty clear about his refusal earlier* *dissatisfied* Yes, well. Revenge comes in all kinds. I suppose this is his. :\

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 08:42:01

Yes, out on the edge of the town? Very classy. *doesn't quite meet your eye* I, um, wait tables mostly. Part-time for now.

I suppose this is his.

I didn't know he could be as vindictive as Curufin. I can understand not wanting anything to do with us but this is going a little far.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 08:52:49

Mm. I think I saw a brochure in the mail. Sounds nice.

*sighs* Yes, well. I don't imagine he was thinking with a clear head. *sees you looking uncomfortable* He did seem to make a name for himself apart from us, after all of that.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 09:00:55

*fervently hopes you don't decide to check it out on any of her days, because ome, the embarrassment*

*quickly nods* Oh, yes. He's really quite brilliant. And he prides himself on being so different from his father, of course. I can't help thinking that if they really were so dissimilar, he wouldn't be so touchy about it.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 09:11:32

*that'd be making the assumption he'd ever deign to step inside city limits again* :\

He's been doing a spectacular job of cutting ties, it's true. But one would hope he wouldn't cut himself off from people who could do him good. *has no idea why he's saying this about the person who's responsible for him being here* He can't be all Curufin, though, there's you in him as well.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 09:19:05

*becoming visibly more upset the longer she discusses this* Well, we you tried, anyway. The ball's in his court now, right? I would assume there are people he finds less objectionable but clearly that's not meant to be our business, either.

there's you in him as well

*tonelessly* I get the feeling 'Brimbor doesn't make much of a distinction there.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 09:27:14

*is a little thrown by your emotional reaction* *realizes he should have taken a little more care*

*pauses to let you collect yourself*

I'm sure you only have his best interests in mind. Unlike my brother.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 09:35:06

*reaches a hand up to dab at the corner of her eye smooth back a strand of hair* I have a lot to make up for, anyway.

But for now we'll just...work on getting you out of here. *smiles a little shakily* It may be the easier feat, now that I think about it.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 09:41:17

*small smile* I thank you.

*looks up as the guard comes over to indicate his time is up*

*in a not-quite-completely-confident-tone* We'll work something out. Certainly.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 09:47:27

*collects her purse and stands, effectively putting an end to the more serious particulars*

Oh, and Nerdanel asked that I bring you more food. *amusedly* I've never met anyone so warmly insistent. I think I kinda like her.

	From: kanofinwe	Date: 08/03/2007 09:52:02

*subdued grin* She does look out for her best offspring. Good.

*as he's pulled "escorted" out by the arm*

Do take care, Finduilas.

	From: ivrinsun	Date: 08/03/2007 09:54:46

We'll keep you informed. *sort of wonders how long you're going to last in there*

*heads out to hunt down Túrin again*